I found the 12x18 very restrictive when spotting, so I'm hoping to get back to scraping pretty soon and see how much better I like this larger plate. I'm very proud to get such a high quality plate for such a small amount of money and, as far as I can tell, it's in perfect condition. I love quality tools.
Saturday, November 21, 2009
Surface plate now ready to use...
I found the 12x18 very restrictive when spotting, so I'm hoping to get back to scraping pretty soon and see how much better I like this larger plate. I'm very proud to get such a high quality plate for such a small amount of money and, as far as I can tell, it's in perfect condition. I love quality tools.
Monday, October 26, 2009
New surface plate
I've had next to no time to work on anything lately. Work has just consumed every minute. I spent a little while last weekend and managed to do some more scraping on the cross slide top, which is close to right. Then I'll move on to the dovetails again. I still can't seem to get the scraper to cut as cleanly as I would like, even though I am used all diamond sharpeners. But, it does get it incredibly flat, just maybe not as pretty as I would like. Actually, the only scraped area that may show is the top of the cross slide and I'll likely paint that, anyway, leaving only the area under the compound unpainted.
Sunday, October 18, 2009
On its own four feet
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I really love high quality tools. One of my prize possessions is a Moore and Wright engineer's level I managed to pick up at a local auction a few years ago for $35. The graduations work out to about 0.003 per foot and you can read much less than the graduations, so I figure I can reliably level to less than 0.001 per foot. I did have to spend some time aligning it. There are adjustments and you get it so it is level whichever way to point it. I was then able to get the aligned to a good deal of accuracy. Small changes in the leveling adjustments were clearly visible on the level.
I'm a long way from a real assessment of the status of the bed, but moving the level around I could not see any deviation from level when end to end and cross ways there was only about 0.001" that I found in the heavily used area near the headstock. Otherwise, it's all on the mark. I'm pretty confident that it's in good shape. Now, I was basing this on the flats. I'll try it with the apron sometime soon, though I think I need to do an undercut on the apron first.
Thursday, October 1, 2009
No time lately...
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To the left is a real "made in England" hand scraper. It's a small one that I picked up very cheaply on eBay. There have been more of them since as well. I wanted to compare high-speed steel scraping to the carbide I have been doing. Just playing with it, it needs to be reshaped, since the curve it came with and the angle of the tip and very aggressive. I did some sharpening and it's looking like it does a nice job. It does get dull pretty quickly, though, as expected.
Below is my 18x24 surface place. Actually, it the new plate on the right and the one that arrived broken on the left. I put them both on a perfectly sized stand I picked up at a school auction for $1. I use the broken one for spotting and the good one for measuring. That way I'll never get any blue on the good one. That stuff does not come off very easily. I don't think it really matters to the function of the plate, though. I really want a single 18x24 surface plate. They are pretty cheap to buy, but the shipping costs more than the plate. I figure I'll keep an eye out for someone selling one here in Michigan, where machine tools are somewhat of a glut and I can just pick it up. Then I have to get it to the basement (it's close to 200 pounds).
Sunday, September 20, 2009
Scraping moves to the saddle
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I was ready to try something else, so I launched into the saddle, using the cross slide as a reference. The picture above is after about four passes. The gib side had a ridge on the inside as would be expected and I've about got that down. It's clearly more worn toward the far end than near the apron end, again as would be expected. I really don't think this scraping is going to take too long to get done, given the progress I make already. In general, this machine was not that badly worn when I got it.
I spent quite a bit of time grinding the scraper bit. The large flat surfaces on the bottom and top of the cross slide were easy, but now I'm having to get into dovetails, so I ground the sides and front back so it's more like a chisel. That seems to work pretty well. I don't think I'm scratching the dovetail side very much and I'll be back to scratch it a bunch later on, anyway.
The plan is to get the saddle bottom flat, then use the scraping plate I bought to get the saddle dovetails flat and parallel. Then I'll use that as a template for the cross slide dovetail and the tapered gib.
Thursday, September 17, 2009
eBay purchases
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I've not had time to get back to the scraping project. It was getting close, but I take a small amount off at a time, so it goes pretty slow. I'll probably get the bottom done this weekend sometime, then move to the next part.
Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Scraping on the cross slide
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Saturday, September 12, 2009
Attaching the bed
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I cut two pieces of wood that go between the bed and the chip tray. With them in place I can slide the lift table under the whole thing and lift it right up to move around. Works just fine.
I intentionally filed the scraping experiment so I could do it again, getting more practice. I'm getting better, I think. You can't really mess things up very quickly, since the process removes so little material at a time. I picked up an ink roller and that made all of the difference in the world on getting good transfers to the high spots. I may be confident enough pretty soon to look at that cross slide. I found a set of scraping plates including one flat and one 60 degree on eBay and got the set on a Make Offer. I had been concerned about how to make the 60 degree reference I would need and this solved that problem quite handily. These were supposed to have been made in 1954, which makes them five years older than I am. But, good tools should last longer than we do.
Monday, September 7, 2009
The first scraping experiment
I'm also having trouble getting bright transfers from the surface plate. I'm going to pick up a roller tomorrow. Most of the advise I've seen said to roll the ink out. I tried spreading with a rag and by hand and it's hard to get it thick enough to mark, but not so thick it marks everything. I can get it thin enough, but it's hard to see the markings sometimes.
It looks nicer in person than in the picture. The picture shows every flaw. But, it looks almost like real hand scraping.
Saturday, September 5, 2009
Starting the scraping project
I couldn't resist trying it. Enco sent me another surface plate and this one arrived okay. I have a 9x20 lathe compound part that I'm going to experiment with. I put some Dykem high spot blue on the surface plate and then the part. The high spots were very clear and I was able to make good progress in a few passes on getting them to spread out a bit. Of course, I don't have a good way to hold the part yet and need to put a handle on the scraper, but a quick try seems to indicate it works pretty good. I was definately able to scrape very tiny shavings where I needed to. But, I'm going to spend quite a bit of time practicing before I start scraping real lathe parts.
Monday, August 31, 2009
The new plate is 3" thick. The older one I bought at an auction is 4" thick (it's under the one in the picture, BTW). It would be nice if I could get that one back up to spec, but it's bound to cost more than a new surface plate does.
I'm wondering how this 70 pound block of granite can be precision made in China, shipped across the ocean, warehoused, and then shipped to me (for free no less) for all of $36.95. The shipping to me must cost about that much alone. I figure Enco counts on the good will they get by selling items like this at a loss or something. This is the first time I've had a problem with something ordered from Enco and they could not have been nicer or more efficient in dealing with it.
Sunday, August 30, 2009
Cross slide
After discussing it online, I'm setting up for scraping and will look at scraping the cross slide dovetails, though I'll likely spend a lot of time on practice before launching into something real. It should be possible to restore the functionality to original condition with scraping. I ordered a new surface plate and other things to attack that project starting next week.
Sunday, August 23, 2009
Saddle
I'm saving up a list to order, so I went ahead and started in on the saddle even though I've not placed the bed on the pedestals, yet. I figure the saddle will need some parts as well. The casting is rough in places and will need to be smoothed out. I'm probably not going to worry about lapping until I get it on the lathe.
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Rack and risers
I spent quite a bit of time with a Scotch-brite pad and WD-40 polishing up the bare metal and ways on the bed. They all came out very clean. It's an older machine, so there are lots of nicks on the top of the ways and inside corners, but all bearing surfaces, the ones that really count, are very smooth and clean. There was a bit of rust, but it was all surface rust and did not pit or anything.
The next adventure is going to be getting the bed onto the pedestals. I need to make an Enco order first, though, to get some new rubber to replace the tailstock riser gasket. I can make one as nice as the original one.
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Restoring it's identity
I drilled and tapped two 6-32 holes. The nameplate was originally mounted with rivets, which I had to grind off to remove it. There was also an inventory tag I discarded. I figure screws will look nicer and make it easier to remove should I want to do so.
Note the neat crossed lasers on the drill press. They are not always perfect and I need to adjust them a bit more, but they really made it easy to get this heavy bed and table lined up under the drill press head. Then I could drill and tap without worrying about breaking a tap off in the hole. I'm not power-tapping, BTW. There's a spring-loaded tap guide in the drill chuck that keeps the tap centered.
A new home
That hydraulic lift table is one of the best purchases I have made recently. I mainly got it to lift projects I'm working on so I don't have to lift them always by hand, and that has been very useful in this project. It's a 1000lb table, so I can actually lift the whole lathe and move it with it later on, though I'll have to make something to lift it by the bed, not the chip tray. Future project.
Sunday, August 2, 2009
Starting to take form in the basement
The bed is all painted, but needs to sit a couple days for that final coat of clear to get hard. Then I'll work on getting it all shined up and see if Neil and I can lug it down to the basement.
Part of the reason for working so hard on the finish is the hope it will be easier to clean. I spent quite a while with a Scotchbright pad to clean up the surfaces on the tops of the risers and got quite a bit of dust into the chip tray. It was amazing how easily it wiped up with a bit of Fantastic, so this looks like it may work pretty well. Don't know about durability, but I'll find that out over time. I'm sure a year from now it will be scratched up quite a bit, but that's to be expected with use.
Saturday, July 25, 2009
Chip tray starting to shine
I also clean up those bed ports that messed up and shot on some more paint. Hopefully I can finish the bed painting in the next few days. Then, I can start putting the thing back together in the basement. There will be lots of work from there. I'm going to get the bed in place, then move on to the saddle and apron, then the headstock. One thing at a time.
Friday, July 24, 2009
The lathe bed and risers have been painted. The risers turned out great, as did most of the bed, but the paint blistered inside each of the four ports. I have no idea why. I sanded them down and put a coat of Almond on them today and will have to wait a couple days to try again on the final coat after some more wet sanding. I think I may have tried to put the paint on a bit too thick in the ports since you end up shooting from the top and the bottom. Hardest part is trying to avoid messing up the paint I'm really happy with. You can see the towel I put in the bed to keep overspray off the top of it.
Friday, July 17, 2009
Clausing badge
I picked up a Royal 5C collet closer on eBay and it arrived yesterday. It's not exactly for this lathe, so the tube is long and it was missing what Royal calls a rear end spindle adapter, which is custom for a particular lathe model, anyway. But, as it turns out the lathe came with that particular part. It was one of those mystery parts that I could not see a purpose for before. I'll just cut the tube to length when the lathe is back running again.
Mucho painting...
I included 50 sheets of 320 grit sandpaper in this last order. I used to always buy sandpaper at Home Depot, but for the price of about 3 of those five sheet packages, I can order in 50 sheets and then you don't feel like you're about to run out of sandpaper all of the time. This project has really restocked my sandpaper collection. I like Enco for waterproof paper, but buy the courser paper from Auto Body Toolmart instead. The quality of the Mirka paper is so much better than any I've found elsewhere and is expecially better than the stuff you buy at Home Depot.
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Sanded the riser
Not had a lot of time to work on the project lately, but did get to the garage tonight to do some sanding on the riser so it's ready to move on to the color paint. I'm out of paint, so I placed an Enco order tonight as well. I'm glad I procrastinated the order. I just got an email with codes for free shipping and 10% off. And, Enco is always very fast, so I expect the paint and some other misc items Friday. More pictures this weekend for sure.
Friday, July 10, 2009
Working on the risers
The bed is just about ready for paint. After a priming, I found a couple spots I was not happy with and spend some time tonight smoothing them out and applied more primer. After another day or so, it will be ready for a quick sanding and the final paint color.
Picked up a Royal 5C lever action collet closer on eBay for $52. I'm surprised it found it so cheap. Sent and email to Royal and they promptly sent me a manual for it as well.
Saturday, July 4, 2009
Bed getting closer
I've picked up a Cushman 8" 4-jaw chuck and L-00 spindle protector on eBay. The Chuck is very nice; looks like it's hardly been used and I paid less than I would for a backing plate alone. I also bought a 5C collet adapter for a 5418 lathe. The main reason to buy that was to get the elusive 4 1/2MT to 5C collet adapter. I also have a thread protector that does not fit and a closer that is a bit short. I can extend the closer and found the right thread protector in another auction. What is interesting to me is that I paid less than half the price for the adapter and other items as someone else just paid for just hte adapter. eBay can be a bit nuts at time. I also bought a Clausing nameplate. I have the one the lathe came with, but this is a bit later generation and I think the casting is nicer, so I'm going to swap it in. The price wasn't very high and I was the only bidder.
Sunday, June 21, 2009
Bed is primed
Saturday, June 13, 2009
Tailstock pedestal shelves are done
I fixed some imperfections in the chip tray finish and re-coated those places. I've found it's best to let the paint dry two whole days before over coating. I've had some problems when I repaint after only one day. So, I'll do the final paint on the chip tray on Sunday. I also worked on the risers. They have a very rough finish on them, so I'm smoothing it with body filler to get a super smooth, shiny finish. Again, I think this will make it easier to keep clean.
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
Pedestal shelves and painting progress
Aside from that, the door and the bottom of the chip tray are done. I'm flipping the chip tray today to do the top.
Thursday, June 4, 2009
More painting: door and chip tray
I'm also starting to look at assembling the pedestals. I bought new pads from Enco and I'll try to get them installed pretty soon. I also have a nice piece of mahogany left over that I plan to use for the tailstock pedestal shelves.
Sunday, May 31, 2009
Pedestals are in the basement...
Saturday, May 30, 2009
Returning to the project
I also finished the headstock pedestal and I'm about done with the tailstock pedestal. I'm still learning the best process. Here's what I'm doing now for a nice finish:
- Use body filler to smooth out any major scratches and other issues. I've also done a bit of grinding to smooth out some welds.
- Prime with the Rust-o-leum industrial primer. I'm usually doing four very light coats a few minutes apart. Wait overnight for this to dry.
- Sand the primer. This shows any issues pretty well and I can do more body filler and more sanding if needed. I've often had to repeat this process to get a smooth finish.
- Four coats of the Rust-o-leum industrial almond. Again, very light coats with a few minutes between. Let dry 24 hours.
- Wet sand the paint with 320 or 400 grit paper. I know this seems course, but I'm putting on another coat.
- Four more coats of paint. Again, dry overnight.
- Wet sand with 800 grit paper.
- Four coats of Rust-o-leum industrial crystal clear. Dry overnight.
- Wet sand with 600, 800, 1000, and 1500 grit paper. I found I had to start with a courser grit to smooth out the clear. It's pretty tough, but you have to be careful not to sand through anywhere. If you sand through, go back to almond and catch up!
- Rubbing compound, then polish.
Thursday, May 14, 2009
Painting, painting, painting, and the chip tray
Saturday, May 9, 2009
Work on bed and painting the pedestals
In case you wanted to know, the bed completely stripped weights 185 pounds, actually much less than I expected for a 1000 pound machine.
I took time out to work on the pedestals. I have both of them painted on the inside and the tailstock pedestal smoothed and primed on the outside. In case you are wondering, the paint is Rust-Oleum Industrial. The color is Almond. I've never been a big fan of gray and see no reason the lathe has to be gray again, so I choose a color I like. I love green, but that would be way to Grizzly. The Almond does suggest Jet, but I can live with that. Their machine tools may be junk, but I have a Jet band saw I've been happy with. Besides, I can paint it whatever color I want.
Tuesday, May 5, 2009
Working on the bed
Monday, May 4, 2009
Teardown
I've taking it all apart, which has been fun. I'm taking lots of pictures and bagging the small parts and labeling them so I hopefully can get it all back together. The inside of the headstock is very clean and in great condition. No wear on any of the gears that I can see. Compared to my Chinese 9x20, this sucker is built! Everything is larger and well design and fits like a glove.
It's been fascinating to take something that weights more than half a ton and reduce it to parts that I can carry around myself! Well, maybe not the bed, but I can lift one side of it no problem, so it can't weigh that much. I'm going to stick a scale under it soon just to get an idea what it does weigh.
Grime
You can see the slave cylinder for the variable speed drive. There's parts missing so it would be very hard to recover it from dead and I don't plan to.
A benefit of the grime is that I think it really protected the machine. As I get under the garbage, the machine looks very nice. The ways are in great shape and nothing is damaged or broken that I've found. I am going to completely restore it including a complete teardown, strip, and repaint.
Getting it home
It was incredibly filthy when I got it. The grime was so thick in places that I could not even pressure wash it off. Most everything is here. The threading chart is gone and I need some minor parts here and there. Getting it off the trailer was an experience. I've never tried to move 1000 pounds around like this before. I bought the requisite engine hoist, but it would not reach far enough to get to the center of gravity of the lathe. I had to push it to the end and then lift it over the tailgate. Next time I'll know to push it onto the tailgate and then just lift it off, but had to start somewhere, right?
Selecting a lathe
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